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	<title>Comments on: The new Eclipse download wizard and RAP performance</title>
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		<title>By: stefan.hansel</title>
		<link>http://eclipsesource.com/blogs/2008/09/17/the-new-eclipse-download-wizard-and-rap-performance/comment-page-1/#comment-845</link>
		<dc:creator>stefan.hansel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a pity ... if you do load-testing again (or have memory-problems) in the future maybe you can think of me ;-) ... I could also contribute a patched RAP-version for any version that is under test then, if that&#039;s of any help.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m afraid that the patch won&#039;t be officially integrated as long as there is noone who can prove, that the throughput and responsiveness is not harmed.&lt;br/&gt;That&#039;s why I thought your setting and the measures are perfect as they are.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anyway ... a little bit of hope remains that somewhen in the unknown future there will be new tests :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a pity &#8230; if you do load-testing again (or have memory-problems) in the future maybe you can think of me <img src='http://eclipsesource.com/blogs/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8230; I could also contribute a patched RAP-version for any version that is under test then, if that&#8217;s of any help.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid that the patch won&#8217;t be officially integrated as long as there is noone who can prove, that the throughput and responsiveness is not harmed.<br />That&#8217;s why I thought your setting and the measures are perfect as they are.</p>
<p>Anyway &#8230; a little bit of hope remains that somewhen in the unknown future there will be new tests <img src='http://eclipsesource.com/blogs/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Manuel Woelker</title>
		<link>http://eclipsesource.com/blogs/2008/09/17/the-new-eclipse-download-wizard-and-rap-performance/comment-page-1/#comment-844</link>
		<dc:creator>Manuel Woelker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 07:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Stefan,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;thanks for your commment. Heap consumption (and heap turnaround) was indeed a problem for this use case. So this patch might help a lot in that regard. Unfortunately I won&#039;t have the time to perform more tests in the near future, so I can&#039;t promise if and when we can perform any benchmarking. Maybe the benchmarks would also have to be performed slightly different, since my main concern was overall throughput and responsiveness.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For now the wizard seems to run &quot;good enough&quot; on stock RAP. We&#039;ll keep that patch in mind though and maybe we can integrate it in the future either directly or via upstream updates in RAP. So thanks again for your post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Stefan,</p>
<p>thanks for your commment. Heap consumption (and heap turnaround) was indeed a problem for this use case. So this patch might help a lot in that regard. Unfortunately I won&#8217;t have the time to perform more tests in the near future, so I can&#8217;t promise if and when we can perform any benchmarking. Maybe the benchmarks would also have to be performed slightly different, since my main concern was overall throughput and responsiveness.</p>
<p>For now the wizard seems to run &#8220;good enough&#8221; on stock RAP. We&#8217;ll keep that patch in mind though and maybe we can integrate it in the future either directly or via upstream updates in RAP. So thanks again for your post.</p>
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		<title>By: stefan.hansel</title>
		<link>http://eclipsesource.com/blogs/2008/09/17/the-new-eclipse-download-wizard-and-rap-performance/comment-page-1/#comment-843</link>
		<dc:creator>stefan.hansel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 13:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Manuel, &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;it seems, that you have put up quite a good infrastructure for load-testing and measuring results.&lt;br/&gt;Thanks for sharing the results.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There is one open enhancement request regarding memory consumption (https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=240143).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The patches there have not yet been applied, because the RAP team is not sure, whether these could have negative impact on performance.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Is there any chance, that these patches could be applied for a short while, just to have some arguments pro/against this patch ?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;With the analysis done so far by you, this is a great base for comparisons!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manuel, </p>
<p>it seems, that you have put up quite a good infrastructure for load-testing and measuring results.<br />Thanks for sharing the results.</p>
<p>There is one open enhancement request regarding memory consumption (<a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=240143" rel="nofollow">https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=240143</a>).</p>
<p>The patches there have not yet been applied, because the RAP team is not sure, whether these could have negative impact on performance.</p>
<p>Is there any chance, that these patches could be applied for a short while, just to have some arguments pro/against this patch ?</p>
<p>With the analysis done so far by you, this is a great base for comparisons!</p>
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		<title>By: oisin</title>
		<link>http://eclipsesource.com/blogs/2008/09/17/the-new-eclipse-download-wizard-and-rap-performance/comment-page-1/#comment-842</link>
		<dc:creator>oisin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 09:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of you watching, there was no relevant errors or failures in the log, so it looks like a network transient rather than anything buggy on the RAP or p2 side of the affair :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you watching, there was no relevant errors or failures in the log, so it looks like a network transient rather than anything buggy on the RAP or p2 side of the affair <img src='http://eclipsesource.com/blogs/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Manuel Woelker</title>
		<link>http://eclipsesource.com/blogs/2008/09/17/the-new-eclipse-download-wizard-and-rap-performance/comment-page-1/#comment-841</link>
		<dc:creator>Manuel Woelker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 07:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@oisin:&lt;br/&gt;The .log file should be in the configuration subfolder of the download p2 installer.&lt;br/&gt;Other things that would be of help are the installer.properties file in the downloaded archive, as well as which platform you are running on.&lt;br/&gt;I can be contacted at mwoelkerXinnoopractXcom.&lt;br/&gt;Thanks for your effort!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@oisin:<br />The .log file should be in the configuration subfolder of the download p2 installer.<br />Other things that would be of help are the installer.properties file in the downloaded archive, as well as which platform you are running on.<br />I can be contacted at mwoelkerXinnoopractXcom.<br />Thanks for your effort!</p>
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		<title>By: oisin</title>
		<link>http://eclipsesource.com/blogs/2008/09/17/the-new-eclipse-download-wizard-and-rap-performance/comment-page-1/#comment-840</link>
		<dc:creator>oisin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I am referring to the actual installation, which was moderately large. If I can find the p2 log, I can check it out, or send it on. Where should I look for it?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It may be that the problem is a network congestion issue, and I just haven&#039;t had the time to check into it further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I am referring to the actual installation, which was moderately large. If I can find the p2 log, I can check it out, or send it on. Where should I look for it?</p>
<p>It may be that the problem is a network congestion issue, and I just haven&#8217;t had the time to check into it further.</p>
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		<title>By: Manuel Woelker</title>
		<link>http://eclipsesource.com/blogs/2008/09/17/the-new-eclipse-download-wizard-and-rap-performance/comment-page-1/#comment-839</link>
		<dc:creator>Manuel Woelker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@oisin:&lt;br/&gt;I am assuming you are referring to the actual installation with the p2 Installer, not the download of the 5MB installer itself.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have experienced some problems as well, and we&#039;ll look into these issues. Do you know if it was a specific combination of components you were selecting? The logs created by the p2 installer might also be helpful for identify the problem.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My primary concern right now is with the wizard, but once that is done, we will need to adress the issues concerning the p2 installation process, like scalability, availability of mirros, etc.&lt;br/&gt;Sometimes the download is just painfully slow and takes almost literally ages. This will need to improve to make this wizard based installation a viable alternative to the traditional downloads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@oisin:<br />I am assuming you are referring to the actual installation with the p2 Installer, not the download of the 5MB installer itself.</p>
<p>I have experienced some problems as well, and we&#8217;ll look into these issues. Do you know if it was a specific combination of components you were selecting? The logs created by the p2 installer might also be helpful for identify the problem.</p>
<p>My primary concern right now is with the wizard, but once that is done, we will need to adress the issues concerning the p2 installation process, like scalability, availability of mirros, etc.<br />Sometimes the download is just painfully slow and takes almost literally ages. This will need to improve to make this wizard based installation a viable alternative to the traditional downloads.</p>
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		<title>By: oisin</title>
		<link>http://eclipsesource.com/blogs/2008/09/17/the-new-eclipse-download-wizard-and-rap-performance/comment-page-1/#comment-838</link>
		<dc:creator>oisin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 12:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is pretty cool, but in my couple of trial runs the downloads have frozen about three-quarters the way through :(&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;That being said, I&#039;m still eager to follow what&#039;s going on :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is pretty cool, but in my couple of trial runs the downloads have frozen about three-quarters the way through <img src='http://eclipsesource.com/blogs/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>That being said, I&#8217;m still eager to follow what&#8217;s going on <img src='http://eclipsesource.com/blogs/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Manuel Woelker</title>
		<link>http://eclipsesource.com/blogs/2008/09/17/the-new-eclipse-download-wizard-and-rap-performance/comment-page-1/#comment-837</link>
		<dc:creator>Manuel Woelker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@anonymous&lt;br/&gt;The source code is in the eclipse CVS repositories at :pserver:anonymous@dev.eclipse.org:/cvsroot/technology in the org.eclipse.epp package.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;To get the demonstration running take a look at &lt;br/&gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://wiki.eclipse.org/EPP/Wizard/Demonstration_HowTo&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://wiki.eclipse.org/EPP/Wizard/Demonstration_HowTo&lt;/a&gt; which has basic documentation on how to get started, as well as a team project set with all the necessary components.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As this is still work in progress sources, wiki and the running demonstration may not be quite in sync.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Hopefully I&#039;ll be able to update everything by the end of the week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@anonymous<br />The source code is in the eclipse CVS repositories at :pserver:anonymous@dev.eclipse.org:/cvsroot/technology in the org.eclipse.epp package.</p>
<p>To get the demonstration running take a look at <br /><a HREF="http://wiki.eclipse.org/EPP/Wizard/Demonstration_HowTo" REL="nofollow">http://wiki.eclipse.org/EPP/Wizard/Demonstration_HowTo</a> which has basic documentation on how to get started, as well as a team project set with all the necessary components.</p>
<p>As this is still work in progress sources, wiki and the running demonstration may not be quite in sync.</p>
<p>Hopefully I&#8217;ll be able to update everything by the end of the week.</p>
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		<title>By: SeuAndré</title>
		<link>http://eclipsesource.com/blogs/2008/09/17/the-new-eclipse-download-wizard-and-rap-performance/comment-page-1/#comment-836</link>
		<dc:creator>SeuAndré</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 23:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very nice!!! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very nice!!! <img src='http://eclipsesource.com/blogs/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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